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pendragyn · Jan 09, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

What is the difference between pre-searing and post searing gold? I see different prices listed for dyes, and saw someone selling their pre-searing items for post searing gold specifically.

Shadow Spirit · Jan 09, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Gold is gold. It has the same value pre or post.

Items may have a different value depending on Market supply and demand in pre vs. post. Like ANY max dmg weapon would be worth a fortune in pre but in post it would depend on skin, stats, etc.

I'm not really sure what the person you saw meant, but gold is gold...

Coridan · Jan 09, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

well i think there is a bit more to it than that... i am not sure on the numbers but it is sort of like this...

1g in pre = 10g in post... again i just pulled those numbers out of the air...

http://www.presearing.com/

go there for more info

Kook~NBK~ · Jan 09, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26

The gold in Pre is untarnished. Post searing gold has scorch marks, scratches, dings & other flaws resulting from the impact of giant crystal shards crashing to the ground from the sky.

quickmonty · Jan 09, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coridan

well i think there is a bit more to it than that... i am not sure on the numbers but it is sort of like this...

1g in pre = 10g in post... again i just pulled those numbers out of the air...

http://www.presearing.com/

go there for more info

Gold is gold. Price on items may vary between pre and post, but the gold is the same.

Snograt · Jan 09, 2008, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Basically (although a lot of people will argue about this) pre-searing gold has more value than post but only to permanent pre-searing characters.

Most people just do the bare minimum necessary in pre then rush to post, but there are a sizeable number of people who like to keep a character in pre forever. To those people, pre-searing has an entirely separate economy.

Olim Chill · Jan 09, 2008, 08:47 PM // 20:47

^I think you're adding much depth to the OP's question.

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What is the difference between pre-searing and post searing gold?

As others mentioned: there is no difference in the gold itself...it's all the same.

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I see different prices listed for dyes, and saw someone selling their pre-searing items for post searing gold specifically.

Perhaps they meant "at Post-Searing prices".

ShadowStorm · Jan 09, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06

In general, items in presearing are worth about 140% of what they'd be worth in postsearing.

Minipets for example:

Gwen = 200K - 275K (post)
Presearing Gwen = 200K - 275K (pre)
Presearing Gwen = 280K - 385K (post)

Charr Shaman = 10K - 20K (post)
Presearing Charr Shaman = 10K - 20K (pre)
Presearing Charr Shaman = 14K - 28K (post)

For items over 100K, perma-presearing characters use Black Dyes instead of Ectos. Also note: some items that once dropped in presearing no longer drop. Vampiric upgrades for example. Also, characters in pre tend to value charr slaying mods, defense vs charr shields, and runes more than characters in post. If you find someone with one of these, know that they are outside of the 140% ratio. Be prepared to pay much more.

70th · Jun 18, 2008, 08:07 AM // 08:07

Lol, pre's gold is worth more than posts gold as items are rarer, so its like pre

ost 1:2

Dark Kal · Jun 18, 2008, 08:46 AM // 08:46

Pre gold is worth more since it's a lot harder to get gold in pre-searing than it is to get gold in post-searing. Items you find in pre-searing sell for a lot less than items you find in post-searing high end areas. For example it may take 1 hour in post-searing to make 10k through farming but it may take up to 10 houres for you to make that amount in pre-searing through farming (bear with me this is just an example it may not be very accurate but it's the gist of it).

Also there is no "legal" way of getting post-searing items into pre-searing, but you can easily get items from pre-searing into post-searing. When a person leaves pre-searing he can never return there, and there are no dye, rune, ... traders in pre-searing hence why items are more expensive in pre.

The Red Messenger · Jun 18, 2008, 11:53 AM // 11:53

i would also be wary about making a high end purchase/sale between pre and post. theres really no safe way to do it without placing your trust in another player. i dont see how one trade window can go between pre searing and post searing...

imnotyourmother · Jun 18, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Well let me introduce you to my PermaPre Toon, ImNotYourMother Lvl 16 90% to lvl 17.

My toon has been in Pre almost one your and now I play it almost all of the time.

From my own experience/

1) no dye trader. So the Black dye that is dropped is all of the black dye that will ever exist in pre. There will be less if someone starts to use it on armor.

Last night I sold 2 black dye for 6,200 gold each and I bought another 2 for 6K each making 400 gold.

Because there is no traders or storage in pre the prices of certain things remains mostly steady.

Such as a Sundering 20/18 Short Sword 12-16 damage 18% while Hexed and a sword pummel of Charrslaying 18% will easily go for 50 Black Dye.

Because people want the gold to remain in pre - once you go to post with your gold and goods they are gone forever - there is a higher value then placed on gold and goods in pre because of this fact.

Yes 1 gold is 1 gold but there is more gold in post than there ever will be in pre because there are 3 chapters and 1 expansion and 5 million copies of GW that were sold. But not everyone Plays a permapre.

So If you want my black dye to be given to your permapre you need to pay the post price for one.

Here is the KEY. Black Dye in POST sells for 8Kish and the PRE Black Dye is 6K. So the difference is 1.33%

This is what began the difference between Pre and Post gold.

Imagine if you will that I have 2 toons in pre. One that is a permapre and will never leave pre and the other one that I use as a MULE. I buy 10 black dye in Pre for 5.5K and then I give them to a guild member in pre who will them give them to the mule. The mule carries them to POST! I sell them for 8.5K making 30K in one trade in 20 minutes.

If I do this then several things happen.

1) 55,000 in gold value - 10 black dye - leaves pre forever and the value of the black dye increases as less are to be found. remember that there is no storage so because black dye stacks it is very sought after. Less supply increased price no matter what the dye trader says as there is no dye trader and nothing else in pre is worth as much that stacks.

You can stack 250 ales for 25K in but that is about the closes you can come. Charr kits are 5K each but not stackable.

2) There is now more Black dye in POST but this is Pointless as people trade in ectos so the economy in post is uneffected cause of the size of the economy.

So as you can see if you are passing thought pre I would suggest grinding on the Charr at the Gate mission to power lvl and then just leave. Buying a charr bag for 800-900 gold is Way expensive for a traveler. However if you are going to stay in pre and go for the title LDoA then this is a must as 10 things to hold in inventory is HUGE as there is no storage to be found.

Now on the matter of trades from one person to the other with pre goods and post gold. It would seem like this would be risky and you would be right. There are MODERATORS for this as you can imagine but most of the time items that are traded for are pets. so the trade would look like this. With me as the Moderator (mod) Pre- them to Mod Post You to mod and then Mod in pre to Them and finally from mod to you.

The man in the middle is the key. I do this service and I mule. The Mod I do is free. The mule is 1K cause it is gone from pre forever and I need to make another one. Mods are very important and the reputation is everything.

To address the rarity of items this is taken care of above. It relates to the TRADER prices in post not necessarily the fact that there is only 9 gold dropped from a baddie instead of 100 gold dropped by a snow wurms in post. This is taken care of because you are in a group of 8 and the gold is split between 8 players so you really only get 12 gold per drop in a full party. Not much of a difference.

Also in the Northlands you can solo that area and pick up 20-30 gold per kill and there are over 50 charr to kill. If you find a sundering 20/18 you can sell it for 15K easy and there are runes to be had, charr bags at 700 gold each and the charr salvage kit for 5K.

So farming the northlands is very lucrative indeed. I made 12K last night in 3 hours in pre. I then turned around and bought a Charrslaying pummel for 35,000 gold. WOOT!

Now for some death leveling for the 10% to make me lvl 17.

Jan 09, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39	#1
pendragyn Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2007 Profession: R/Me	pre/post Gold What is the difference between pre-searing and post searing gold? I see different prices listed for dyes, and saw someone selling their pre-searing items for post searing gold specifically.

Jan 09, 2008, 08:20 PM // 20:20	#6
Snograt rattus rattus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST Guild: [GURU]GW [wiki]GW2 Profession: R/	Basically (although a lot of people will argue about this) pre-searing gold has more value than post but only to permanent pre-searing characters. Most people just do the bare minimum necessary in pre then rush to post, but there are a sizeable number of people who like to keep a character in pre forever. To those people, pre-searing has an entirely separate economy. __________________ Si non confectus, non reficiat

Jun 18, 2008, 08:07 AM // 08:07	#9
70th Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2008 Profession: N/Mo	Lol, pre's gold is worth more than posts gold as items are rarer, so its like preost 1:2

Jun 18, 2008, 08:46 AM // 08:46	#10
Dark Kal Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2006	Pre gold is worth more since it's a lot harder to get gold in pre-searing than it is to get gold in post-searing. Items you find in pre-searing sell for a lot less than items you find in post-searing high end areas. For example it may take 1 hour in post-searing to make 10k through farming but it may take up to 10 houres for you to make that amount in pre-searing through farming (bear with me this is just an example it may not be very accurate but it's the gist of it). Also there is no "legal" way of getting post-searing items into pre-searing, but you can easily get items from pre-searing into post-searing. When a person leaves pre-searing he can never return there, and there are no dye, rune, ... traders in pre-searing hence why items are more expensive in pre. Last edited by Dark Kal; Jun 18, 2008 at 08:52 AM // 08:52..

Jun 18, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35	#12
imnotyourmother Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: in a house Guild: The Knitters Guild Profession: W/R	PreSearing GOLD. WOOT Well let me introduce you to my PermaPre Toon, ImNotYourMother Lvl 16 90% to lvl 17. My toon has been in Pre almost one your and now I play it almost all of the time. From my own experience/ 1) no dye trader. So the Black dye that is dropped is all of the black dye that will ever exist in pre. There will be less if someone starts to use it on armor. Last night I sold 2 black dye for 6,200 gold each and I bought another 2 for 6K each making 400 gold. Because there is no traders or storage in pre the prices of certain things remains mostly steady. Such as a Sundering 20/18 Short Sword 12-16 damage 18% while Hexed and a sword pummel of Charrslaying 18% will easily go for 50 Black Dye. Because people want the gold to remain in pre - once you go to post with your gold and goods they are gone forever - there is a higher value then placed on gold and goods in pre because of this fact. Yes 1 gold is 1 gold but there is more gold in post than there ever will be in pre because there are 3 chapters and 1 expansion and 5 million copies of GW that were sold. But not everyone Plays a permapre. So If you want my black dye to be given to your permapre you need to pay the post price for one. Here is the KEY. Black Dye in POST sells for 8Kish and the PRE Black Dye is 6K. So the difference is 1.33% This is what began the difference between Pre and Post gold. Imagine if you will that I have 2 toons in pre. One that is a permapre and will never leave pre and the other one that I use as a MULE. I buy 10 black dye in Pre for 5.5K and then I give them to a guild member in pre who will them give them to the mule. The mule carries them to POST! I sell them for 8.5K making 30K in one trade in 20 minutes. If I do this then several things happen. 1) 55,000 in gold value - 10 black dye - leaves pre forever and the value of the black dye increases as less are to be found. remember that there is no storage so because black dye stacks it is very sought after. Less supply increased price no matter what the dye trader says as there is no dye trader and nothing else in pre is worth as much that stacks. You can stack 250 ales for 25K in but that is about the closes you can come. Charr kits are 5K each but not stackable. 2) There is now more Black dye in POST but this is Pointless as people trade in ectos so the economy in post is uneffected cause of the size of the economy. So as you can see if you are passing thought pre I would suggest grinding on the Charr at the Gate mission to power lvl and then just leave. Buying a charr bag for 800-900 gold is Way expensive for a traveler. However if you are going to stay in pre and go for the title LDoA then this is a must as 10 things to hold in inventory is HUGE as there is no storage to be found. Now on the matter of trades from one person to the other with pre goods and post gold. It would seem like this would be risky and you would be right. There are MODERATORS for this as you can imagine but most of the time items that are traded for are pets. so the trade would look like this. With me as the Moderator (mod) Pre- them to Mod Post You to mod and then Mod in pre to Them and finally from mod to you. The man in the middle is the key. I do this service and I mule. The Mod I do is free. The mule is 1K cause it is gone from pre forever and I need to make another one. Mods are very important and the reputation is everything. To address the rarity of items this is taken care of above. It relates to the TRADER prices in post not necessarily the fact that there is only 9 gold dropped from a baddie instead of 100 gold dropped by a snow wurms in post. This is taken care of because you are in a group of 8 and the gold is split between 8 players so you really only get 12 gold per drop in a full party. Not much of a difference. Also in the Northlands you can solo that area and pick up 20-30 gold per kill and there are over 50 charr to kill. If you find a sundering 20/18 you can sell it for 15K easy and there are runes to be had, charr bags at 700 gold each and the charr salvage kit for 5K. So farming the northlands is very lucrative indeed. I made 12K last night in 3 hours in pre. I then turned around and bought a Charrslaying pummel for 35,000 gold. WOOT! Now for some death leveling for the 10% to make me lvl 17. Last edited by imnotyourmother; Jun 18, 2008 at 05:00 PM // 17:00..

Jan 09, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49	#2
Shadow Spirit Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chicago Guild: your cat eats dog food [pup] Profession: N/E	Gold is gold. It has the same value pre or post. Items may have a different value depending on Market supply and demand in pre vs. post. Like ANY max dmg weapon would be worth a fortune in pre but in post it would depend on skin, stats, etc. I'm not really sure what the person you saw meant, but gold is gold...

Jan 09, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16	#3
Coridan Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: US Guild: Old Married Gamers {OMG} Profession: W/	well i think there is a bit more to it than that... i am not sure on the numbers but it is sort of like this... 1g in pre = 10g in post... again i just pulled those numbers out of the air... http://www.presearing.com/ go there for more info

Jan 09, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26	#4
Kook~NBK~ Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A little chalet outside Drok's Guild: Natural Born Killaz	The gold in Pre is untarnished. Post searing gold has scorch marks, scratches, dings & other flaws resulting from the impact of giant crystal shards crashing to the ground from the sky.

Jan 09, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06	#8
ShadowStorm Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Take me where I cannot stand. Guild: The Better Part of Valor Profession: W/N	In general, items in presearing are worth about 140% of what they'd be worth in postsearing. Minipets for example: Gwen = 200K - 275K (post) Presearing Gwen = 200K - 275K (pre) Presearing Gwen = 280K - 385K (post) Charr Shaman = 10K - 20K (post) Presearing Charr Shaman = 10K - 20K (pre) Presearing Charr Shaman = 14K - 28K (post) For items over 100K, perma-presearing characters use Black Dyes instead of Ectos. Also note: some items that once dropped in presearing no longer drop. Vampiric upgrades for example. Also, characters in pre tend to value charr slaying mods, defense vs charr shields, and runes more than characters in post. If you find someone with one of these, know that they are outside of the 140% ratio. Be prepared to pay much more.

Jun 18, 2008, 11:53 AM // 11:53	#11
The Red Messenger Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: America	i would also be wary about making a high end purchase/sale between pre and post. theres really no safe way to do it without placing your trust in another player. i dont see how one trade window can go between pre searing and post searing...